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DS918+ Noob Set Up help

Unread post by Andj » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:55 pm

Hey All,

I've read “Need advice for my new setup” thread with great interest as I've just also purchased a DS918+, upgraded to 8GB RAM with 4x 6TB Seagate Ironwolf drives. Backed up occurs on external USBs predominately also on Cloud.

Thought that this might be useful for other morons (like me) out there that are looking to help themselves and learn more.

My needs are very similar to the original request (save for I also have kids that need to access their files from their Laptops, Tablets and Phones) and I'm very much a noob when it comes to NAS configurations. My wife hates me at the moment because I've spent the last 5 nights researching, watching youtube instructions, speaking to various people and I'm still a little lost – this is SO MUCH FUN!!! Just too many acronyms… This is making me want to go back to Uni for a IT Degree…bahhahahah

The advice that I've received is that I should create 2 volumes:

Vol 1: Applications, Packages, databases (including Software Installation Files)
Vol 2: Data (which would house all of the Media (Movies, TV, Music, Photos - in separate files), Documents (homework etc)

Prior to populating everything, I would very much appreciate some guidance on what I've done (and more importantly if it is correct) - and this will demonstrate how much of a novice I am:

1. Created the Admin Account;

2. Set the Static IP of the NAS;

3. Went to Storage Manager and created a Storage Pool (using SHR) across all 4 drives which allows me to create multiple volumes. Capacity of 16.36TB;

4. In Storage Manager I created Volume 1, (allocating the size to 250GB, as I didn't think that applications, packages and databases would need that much space), Btfrs;

The Volume Capacity is 240GB, a loss of 10GB – why?

5. Then I created a shared folder in Volume 1 and called it APD, described as "Applications, Packages, databases"[/list], enabled data checksum for advanced data integrity, didn't put a folder quota in because the Volume itself is limited to 250GB (240GB);

6. Went to Package Manager and started the installed Antivirus Essentials - updated virus definitions and set the schedule for scans (ever other computer/tab/phone has Norton). The assumption is that the package manager would install into Volume 1/APD;

7. Back into Storage Manager and create Volume 2 (for the balance of available space). I wasn’t allowed the option of “Quick”, which I understand I shouldn’t have as it only should be used for when you are creating one volume and have set up the Storage Pool in that manner. Went for “Custom” under the existing storage pool (multiple volume support is enabled), Btfrs. Capacity 15.47TB

Here’s the thing now: from the total Capacity of 16.36TB, I have some storage missing (15.47+0.25=15.72TB…. missing approximately 650GB…???

8. Within Volume 2, I then created a Movies shared file in respect of which I limited the file size to something which can easily be backup to USB (am thinking of using the USB Copy Package)

9. Went back to Packages and into Settings and put the default volume as Volume 1. Installed the USB Copy Package and PLEX. Updated both packages. PLEX had to be done manually (a little reading on this front isn’t that hard for the newbie – see as an example https://www.howtogeek.com/344369/how-to ... ology-nas/ )

I’ve not transferred any Data over as yet nor have I added users (and therefore not allocated them to Groups as yet) as I’m hoping that what I’ve done is right… If not, it allows me to wipe and start again :)

If so, I hope this helps anyone else who has just started on this fun journey. I’m looking forward to learning more!

Thank you

Andj

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Re: DS918+ Noob Set Up help

Unread post by telos » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:04 am

A single volume would be fine... and simpler to manage. Just FYI. Enjoy your system.

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Re: DS918+ Noob Set Up help

Unread post by Andj » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:58 am

Thanks Telos. Because Im new to this, why would it be easier to manage as one volume?

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Re: DS918+ Noob Set Up help

Unread post by akahan » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:25 am

I'd be interested in the rationale for the "advice" that you use one volume for applications, packages (and not sure why someone thinks there's a distinction between applications and packages) and databases, on one hand, and "data" on the other.

I can't think of any reason to do that on a NAS.

It's the traditional way to arrange things on a PC - one partition for operating system and programs, and another for data, but the rationale there is that if your operating system goes south and has to be reinstalled (as so often happens with Windows), you can do so without disturbing your data. (It also makes it more straightforward to back up your data without backing up the operating system, or vice versa).

There's no similar rationale applicable to a NAS, where the operating system is stored separately from the volumes, on each disk, and apps are very easily reinstalled without disturbing anything else.

The reasons you'd complicate your life with multiple volumes on the NAS are so that, for example, you can add disks to one volume without disturbing another, or move a volume to another NAS without disturbing the other, etc.

I just don't understand the point of dividing things as you've been advised to do here. Do you have any idea what the reasoning was behind that advice?
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Re: DS918+ Noob Set Up help

Unread post by telos » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:12 pm

Andj wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:58 am
Thanks Telos. Because Im new to this, why would it be easier to manage as one volume?
I see that akahan has answered well here. I'll add that for the average home user, you may find that you have undersized/oversized one of the volumes in this process. Unlike Windows, there is no means to downsize a volume, or move space from one volume to the other. All you can do is add disks (there are size restraints) to the pool to increase volume size.

If you don't understand the rationale for splitting volumes as you did, it's a sign you should probably rethink your strategy before the volumes are populated.

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Re: DS918+ Noob Set Up help

Unread post by Andj » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:51 pm

Thank you both. That makes sense to me...

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Re: DS918+ Noob Set Up help

Unread post by Andj » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:15 pm

So I've now set up one Volume (4x6TB drives). I've got 16.4TB of capacity Btrfs, SHR. When I use the Synology Calculator, it says that I should have 18TB (which is the N-1?? Calculation that I read about)... Where has the 1.6TB gone?

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Re: DS918+ Noob Set Up help

Unread post by akahan » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:26 pm

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Re: DS918+ Noob Set Up help

Unread post by Andj » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:06 am

Thanks. Very interesting.... The Support is very much appreciated.

Wanting then to have a clean file structure, I've read that when you install DS Media Center, DS Video or DS Photos that each of those packages installs its own files (video, music and photos). Would it then make sense create those files in the first instance? I've been using PLEX and really like that, but there are some that suggest testing DS Media Center etc. In circumstances that when I play with them and don't like them, if I can't delete the files that they auto create is there any disadvantage in installing that package and putting the corresponding media in them? Or is it better to have more of root directories, ie

/video/television
/video/movies

vs

/movies
/television

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