Which Backup Solution Best?

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Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by KidSpark » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:00 am

Hi. I'll try to make this simple. I want to backup my data drive to my NAS, however, I do not want duplicate information.

What I mean to say is, on my SOURCE drive, I may change a folder name or location.
What I do not want to happen in my TARGET is to end up with duplicate files/folders because of this.

I suppose a straight TWO-WAY Sync using DS DRIVE could be an answer.
Yet, I do not want to risk losing something I delete on my SOURCE drive by accident.
(Set up a Recycle Bin on my NAS I guess?)

Well, I guess I want to know if there's any better way than a TWO-WAY sync while avoiding duplicates and having a virtual real-time backup of my data to my NAS.

Mirroring? Rsync? Cloudstation? DS DRIVE? Other?

I don't really know what the best solution would be.


On top of that, I wish to have my target encrypted. And my source is already encrypted with Bitlocker.

Any experts out there have some advice about this? Thanks muchos!

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by Rusty1281 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:40 am

Guesing your source is a win machine, what about your nas? What model is it? Depending on it you could have more options then Drive, CloudStation etc…
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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by KidSpark » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:01 am

It's a DS718+

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by sciurius » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:01 am

Do not mix synch and backup, it's really two different things.
A two-way synch keeps both parties identical. Changes on either side will be propagated to the other. If you remove a file on the NAS, it will disappear from the PC. I don't think that is what you want.
A one-way synch from PC to NAS is better, changes on the PC will be propagated to the NAS, but not vice versa.
A one-way synch can be part of a backup solution. The other part is to backup the files on the NAS using a backup tool like rsync, borg or HyperBackup.
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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by Rusty1281 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:39 pm

Considering its a plus model you can also use Active Backup. Its a agentless pull backup solution.
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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by KidSpark » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:56 pm

sciurius wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:01 am
Do not mix synch and backup, it's really two different things.
A two-way synch keeps both parties identical. Changes on either side will be propagated to the other. If you remove a file on the NAS, it will disappear from the PC. I don't think that is what you want.
A one-way synch from PC to NAS is better, changes on the PC will be propagated to the NAS, but not vice versa.
A one-way synch can be part of a backup solution. The other part is to backup the files on the NAS using a backup tool like rsync, borg or HyperBackup.
Thanks for advice, I guess I basically get it? Well, what I'm doing at the moment is setting up SYNOLOGY DRIVE to backup my data drive on my Windows PC to my NAS.

I'm at the point to choose either: 1. Two-way sync, 2. Download data from Drive Server only, or 3. One way upload

With 'Enable Advanced Consistency Check' ENABLED

So, I'm wondering if any of the above really is a solution for me, in particular regarding my concern, which is:
If I rename a folder on my source data drive, will it just create a new folder on the NAS with that name and all files underneath it, while keeping the older folder/files (prior to the rename) as well?

I just don't want to create duplicates, and the last backup solution I was using did just that. When I renamed a folder on the source drive, the backup drive just created a new copy of the folder and files.

I PRESUME Choosing #1 above will provide total synchronicity and with recycle bin enabled on the NAS for that folder, I have a recovery if I accidentally deleted a file on the source.

OR choose the 3. One-way Upload with 'Keep locally deleted files on the server' <---(But this likely creates a situation I'm trying to avoid in the first place).

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by KidSpark » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:20 pm

sciurius wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:01 am
Do not mix synch and backup, it's really two different things.
A two-way synch keeps both parties identical. Changes on either side will be propagated to the other. If you remove a file on the NAS, it will disappear from the PC. I don't think that is what you want.
A one-way synch from PC to NAS is better, changes on the PC will be propagated to the NAS, but not vice versa.
A one-way synch can be part of a backup solution. The other part is to backup the files on the NAS using a backup tool like rsync, borg or HyperBackup.
Would ACTIVE BACKUP with 'MIRRORING' be the solution?

It means that whatever changes on the source I make will be reflected exactly on the target.

So for example, if I have a folder that's already backed up but I rename it and move it to another folder location on the source, THEN:
What is done on the source will be what is done exactly on the target and the older folder name and location will no longer exist.

Does that sound right?

I guess I'm dense about this. Sorry.

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by sincarne » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:10 am

KidSpark wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:20 pm
sciurius wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:01 am
Do not mix synch and backup, it's really two different things.
A two-way synch keeps both parties identical. Changes on either side will be propagated to the other. If you remove a file on the NAS, it will disappear from the PC. I don't think that is what you want.
A one-way synch from PC to NAS is better, changes on the PC will be propagated to the NAS, but not vice versa.
A one-way synch can be part of a backup solution. The other part is to backup the files on the NAS using a backup tool like rsync, borg or HyperBackup.
Would ACTIVE BACKUP with 'MIRRORING' be the solution?

It means that whatever changes on the source I make will be reflected exactly on the target.

So for example, if I have a folder that's already backed up but I rename it and move it to another folder location on the source, THEN:
What is done on the source will be what is done exactly on the target and the older folder name and location will no longer exist.

Does that sound right?

I guess I'm dense about this. Sorry.
mirroring mean it sync. you want sync not backup.

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by KidSpark » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:14 am

Since I'm syncing from PC Drive (Source) to NAS Drive (Target). I guess the only good syncing product I can use is something like Synology Drive then on the PC?

The only thing is, I want to backup my source to a SPECIFIC folder on the NAS that I create that doesn't fall under the DRIVE or HOME directory structure. Doesn't seem Synology Drive allows for this.

In particular, I want to SYNC to a location on the NAS that I can ENCRYPT. I can't create a shared folder under \homes\drive\ and Encrypt that.
And, I can't point Synology Drive to a folder above the \homes\drive\ folder.

Plus, to add to the confusion, there is also a \home\ directory that seems to have a duplicate of what I'm placing in my \homes\ directory.

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by telos » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:43 pm

KidSpark wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:14 am
Plus, to add to the confusion, there is also a \home\ directory that seems to have a duplicate of what I'm placing in my \homes\ directory.
Ignore the \homes folder unless you are managing another user's folders/files. Those aren't duplicate files. If you delete all your "duplicates" under \homes you will lose your files in \home.

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by KidSpark » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:39 pm

Yes, I finally understand why I'm seeing what I'm seeing in regards to the \homes & \home folder.

What I am having a problem with is finding a way to do the backup(SYNC) using Synology Drive or Cloudstation where I can choose a shared folder that I can set up for ENCRYPTION.

I can't create any folder under \home that will allow it to be encrypted.

So I simply want to create a top-level folder, set it up for encryption and backup(SYNC) to it, while only giving me(user) the rights to have access to it.

ANY way to do this?

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by sincarne » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:56 pm

KidSpark wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:39 pm
Yes, I finally understand why I'm seeing what I'm seeing in regards to the \homes & \home folder.

What I am having a problem with is finding a way to do the backup(SYNC) using Synology Drive or Cloudstation where I can choose a shared folder that I can set up for ENCRYPTION.

I can't create any folder under \home that will allow it to be encrypted.

So I simply want to create a top-level folder, set it up for encryption and backup(SYNC) to it, while only giving me(user) the rights to have access to it.

ANY way to do this?
You enable encryption for entire homes shared folder not for folder within shared folder.

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by KidSpark » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:51 am

sincarne wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:56 pm
KidSpark wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:39 pm
Yes, I finally understand why I'm seeing what I'm seeing in regards to the \homes & \home folder.

What I am having a problem with is finding a way to do the backup(SYNC) using Synology Drive or Cloudstation where I can choose a shared folder that I can set up for ENCRYPTION.

I can't create any folder under \home that will allow it to be encrypted.

So I simply want to create a top-level folder, set it up for encryption and backup(SYNC) to it, while only giving me(user) the rights to have access to it.

ANY way to do this?
You enable encryption for entire homes shared folder not for folder within shared folder.
I don't want the WHOLE homes shared folder encrypted.

I just want to back up to my own shared folder that I create and that I control exclusively the access to.

So now I have to go out and look for some other software to do this just because Synology won't allow me to choose to sync/backup to any folder that I want on my own NAS.

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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by Rusty1281 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:52 am

It does allow just not with a SYNC tool. Sync is not backup. On top of that, as it was said, you can't encrypted a folder just a root share of your choice. If thats not acceptable to you, then yes, you will need a 3rd party pc solution that can target a NAS (Crashplan comes to mind or something similar).
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Re: Which Backup Solution Best?

Unread post by KidSpark » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:26 am

Rusty1281 wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:52 am
It does allow just not with a SYNC tool. Sync is not backup. On top of that, as it was said, you can't encrypted a folder just a root share of your choice. If thats not acceptable to you, then yes, you will need a 3rd party pc solution that can target a NAS (Crashplan comes to mind or something similar).
Thanks. I just don't see what the big deal is for them to allow me to specify my own folder on the NAS.
Include a way to use the Encryption Key to be called on a batch sync job (doesn't necessarily need to be realtime). etc

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