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Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby oRBIT » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:21 am

What do you think we'll see? There seems to be some kind of virtualization theme in their booth this year. Do you think we'll see a proper "virtualization station" for other OS's than DSM? ;)
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby Rusty1281 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:44 am

No.

Apart from the 2 ne models and 1 exp on the HW front I don't expect anything new. DSM 6.1 with all its upgraded packages (and beta version) are already known so don't think there will be anything new that we don't already know.
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby knudsen » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:07 pm

Acording to some information there Will be some sort of real virtualization (Windows server and Linux and DSM as well - looking forward to see more on this topic..
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby oRBIT » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:06 pm

Some people mentions something about a "Virtual Machine Manager" to be launched in Q2...
http://www.synology-forum.de/showthread ... post703666
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby ste8604 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:09 pm

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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby iknowtech » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:59 pm

That's definitely great news, in theory.

But I'm not seeing anything that would make me think that Synology is releasing more powerful NAS devices that would really be required for doing full OS virtualization in production environments.

This seems like something maybe useful for test/lab environments or for server virtualization with very low workload requirements.
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby Rusty1281 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:19 am

Well I take it all back. Looks like a modified VDSM package by the looks of it. With models supporting high RAM capacity this might work. I'm still reserved, and a custom esxi/hyperv host as a separate machine still makes more sense. Especially if licensing model will be 1 VM 1 lic. ESXi is free and has no VM limitation.

Also its a question how exactly will this be implemented and how well will it work. Lets see how it will develop.
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby oRBIT » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:17 am

This seems awesome! Let's hope they release this soon. :)
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby Rusty1281 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:31 am

Well looks like its official. From their news update:

...A special highlight is the new Synology Virtual Machine Manager Beta version. To demonstrate the quality and capability of the soon to be released Virtual Machine Manager Beta version, Synology will host most of their showcase areas in a Virtual DSM Cluster, run on the powerful RS3617xs+ and FS3017 – Synology's first All-Flash-NAS.


https://www.synology.com/en-global/comp ... 7/Synology®%20presents%20live%20at%20CeBIT%202017

Dated 22.2.2017, how the hell didn't I see this before O.o??
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby mraky » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:58 pm

although i am happy to see hypervisor in synology, i am a bit s... I have 1515+, which is not lowend model, and still i cant imagine runing virtualised computers on it... even now, i had to upgrade memory, and cpu is quite utilised...

virtualisation need hell of cpu power & memory...

so i am asking - is it kind of marketing action ( ya, qnap have it, we have to have it also), or appropiate HW will follow
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby Rusty1281 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:12 pm

I would say its both. I can see this only "on selected models". Still think that anyone who wants to run a proper production or lab vm env, will need at least 24+GB ram solution (lets say to run a few Windows server) and that kind of NAS model will cost way more then to make a separate (dedicated) mini server. At least a quad or 6core cpu and ofc then there is storage (and its speed).
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby mraky » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:32 pm

Rusty1281 wrote:I would say its both. I can see this only "on selected models". Still think that anyone who wants to run a proper production or lab vm env, will need at least 24+GB ram solution (lets say to run a few Windows server) and that kind of NAS model will cost way more then to make a separate (dedicated) mini server. At least a quad or 6core cpu and ofc then there is storage (and its speed).



when i am chekcing product line, in "Workgroup/Small & Medium Business"

most powerfull is RS2416+/​RS2416RP+, which have Intel Atom C2538 nad up to 6 giga ram. so if you want to do virtualisation for really working vir. servers, then you need to start from RS4017xs+ and up... and then you are getting overkill on 1 side, and average avaiable performance for virtual server enviroment on another...

somehow i still miss HW for such feature in their list. hope they can introduce some box, which will provide brutal cpu & memory resources for people, who can benefit from vitualisation, but do not need 16 slots for disks


my dream is to have blade cpu & memory & storage units & you can stack resources as you want ( but again. its just dream :/)
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby mraky » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:36 pm

btw, i dont want to sound negativelly.. i love this feature ( hope i can finaly utilise my 16 giga on 1515+ ;) )
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby iknowtech » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:46 pm

Enterprises and Big Businesses definitely will not use this virtualization feature, even Medium sized businesses will have a proper virtualization environment with HyperV/Xen/VMWare. This might be a nice feature for SMB's that want or need one server, where hopefully the Synology could step into that role. You could run a Windows Domain Controller, and/or Linux or Windows application servers.

Its a great concept but Synology lacks hardware models to realize its potential.

It could also work well in the prosumer market, for IT people that need home labs and power users that run various types of workloads.

Synology needs to introduce a new category of devices, between the + series, and XS series with real Desktop Core i or Server Xeon Processors.
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Re: Synology on Cebit 2017

Postby Rusty1281 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:51 pm

Agree. Even for home use if I want to run several VMs im better off running it on a dedicated VM host then on a NAS. But I guess there will be many users that will be happy with one VM that they need from time to time.
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