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Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby csimon » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:28 pm

I'm very impressed with the new range but it's a new version of the DS409slim I'm waiting for!

Something small, neat, quiet and power-efficient for 2.5" drives (SSDs) - hopefully with more memory than the DS409slim model and faster processor, without compromising power efficiency and a quiet fan...
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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby Radar_Lover » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:56 pm

I too would like to see the 409Slim updated for 2011.

I am close to making a decision about buying a 409Slim but I will hold off for a while to see if an update is likely, or I may even end up getting a 710+ and using 2.5" drives in it to make it cooler and quieter.
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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby cfuttrup » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:54 pm

I also looked at the slim models at some point, and was cooling down when I saw the specs. I wonder if Synology didn't have much commercial success with the product (?) ... judging from the amount of communication here about it, it seems it wasn't a big hit.

csimon ... you're "no compromise" ... a 4 x SSD solution would be so fast it would outperform everything else within the device (including the 1000 MB Ethernet port). :D
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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby csimon » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:03 pm

cfuttrup wrote:I also looked at the slim models at some point, and was cooling down when I saw the specs. I wonder if Synology didn't have much commercial success with the product (?) ... judging from the amount of communication here about it, it seems it wasn't a big hit.

csimon ... you're "no compromise" ... a 4 x SSD solution would be so fast it would outperform everything else within the device (including the 1000 MB Ethernet port). :D

Well, the main reason I want to go for SSDs is because of no moving parts, power efficiency and no noise. Speed is a rather nice side effect! :D But capacity is rather low at the moment.

But that is why I was hoping for better specs on the 409slim as the bottleneck would appear to be its processor and memory - it's amongst the lower-specced units that Synology do. SSDs are indeed the future, in my opinion, prices will come down, capacities will increase, speeds will increase to way beyond HDD speeds, but Synology only have one NAS that takes advantage of the small size of SSDs (the other units cater for 3.5" HDDs as well) yet it's the least powerful model in the catalogue.

If I've got conversion between speed units correct, here is a comparison of max read/write speeds of various Synology NAS's that I was considering, in mbps in order to compare with the bandwidth of a gigabit network, which will be 1000mbps:

Write Read
DS409slim 288 368
DS209 368 584
DS410 432 920

And that's before you look at the 2011 equivalents!

In terms of home use, the DS409slim as it stands is probably more than good enough with those stats, yet you do get the feeling that these are only max speeds under ideal conditions. If you do have a gigabit network then you like to know that its bandwidth is being used to maximum effect. Also, I wouldn't want the NAS to become processor-bound, while it's indexing media files for example, so a bit more RAM and a bit more processor speed would help nicely, in line with the improvements that the other models have got for 2011. Without, as I said, having to increase the fan speed or noise or power consumption too much, if that's possible!

The slim model is indeed perhaps a bit of a niche product, it's specifically cut-down in size for SSDs (well, originally, 2.5" drives generally, but I do believe SSDs are going to be the norm in the future) so it has a limited market, maybe it was too early to launch such a thing and perhaps that's why the unit hasn't had much of a response. But now is the time!
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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby csimon » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:43 am

Looks like it's happened!!

http://www.dailytech.com/Synology+Announces+4bay+DiskStation+DS411slim+NAS+/article20737.htm
http://www.synology.com/enu/products/DS411slim/

Not only that, it's faster than the old model, well up there with the rest of the range it seems. Twice the memory and blow me, actually lower power consumption that the old model, and will actually be lower-priced!

Well done! Out to buy one as soon as it hits the shops. When I can find some reasonable SSDs...
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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby Llama » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:34 pm

Awesome! Now the $238 409slim refurbs look much less attractive. ;) Maybe I will sell mine to my dad and buy the new one. :D
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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby TommyN » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:51 pm

Oh this is amazing! My 409slim will be upgraded to this one, once it gets to Denmark :D

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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby Llama » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:25 pm

Tommy, how is the performance with those WD 1TB drives? I am running 4x500GB Seagate Momentus 7200rpm drives and have been holding off on the 1TB jump due to the lower spindle speed. Am I just being silly?
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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby TommyN » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:38 pm

I haven't run any benchmark on it but I think they perform quite okay.

When I transfer an 800 MB file to and from I get this on a gigabit network running RAID 5:

8 MB/s write to DS
19 MB/s read from DS

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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby ntm1275 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:06 am

TommyN wrote:I haven't run any benchmark on it but I think they perform quite okay.

When I transfer an 800 MB file to and from I get this on a gigabit network running RAID 5:

8 MB/s write to DS
19 MB/s read from DS


Are those really the speeds you get? I would have expected a bit more than that

Is the limitation due to the drives themselves?

My old DS106e achieves faster read/write transfers
DS-1010+ FW 4.2 3202 - SHR - 5 x Seagate ST31000528AS 1TB hard drives (using 3 drives at the moment to save on power)
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DS-207+ FW 3.1 1632 - Raid 0 - 2 x Western Digital WD7500AAKS 750GB hard drives (now passed on to my son in University)
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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby TommyN » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:15 am

When I made the simple test the DS was already running 4 download tasks, web server, mail server, SqueezeCenter and indexing Photo Station :D

Thus there is an annoying problem when I download torrents with 3.0 firmware that the overall speed of the DS itself gets slow.
Don't know why but I can see in the forum that I'm not the only one.

I just did this test by cutting af file from my laptop and pasting it to a folder on the DS via SMB.
Perhaps I will make the test sometime with only ftp enabled to see what numbers I get then :)

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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby ntm1275 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:09 pm

TommyN wrote:When I made the simple test the DS was already running 4 download tasks, web server, mail server, SqueezeCenter and indexing Photo Station :D


That explains why your tests were so slow

All the services running, mainly the Download Tasks and the Photo indexing would make a significant dent in your transfer speeds

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Re: Aarghh! Frustrating! Need a DS411slim!

Postby well0549 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:35 pm

Just did a test.

Copy 900 MB from DSSlim to pc averaging 45 MB per second.

Copy same file back to DS409Slim 32 MB a second

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